Joane Fynes1

Female, #8724, (say 1532 - before 1609)

Parent*John Fynes of Claverham in Arlington (s 1507 - b 8 May 1584)
Parent*Elizabeth Culpeper (s 1502 - c 1 Mar 1587)
Joane Fynes|b. say 1532\nd. before 1609|p8724.htm|John Fynes of Claverham in Arlington|b. say 1507\nd. before 8 May 1584|p37438.htm|Elizabeth Culpeper|b. say 1502\nd. circa 1 Mar 1587|p8722.htm|||||||Richard Culpeper of Wakehurst|b. say 1470\nd. circa 15 Sep 1539|p8692.htm|Joanna Naylor|b. say 1473\nd. after 1539|p8694.htm|

Birth*say 1532 Joane was born say 1532. 
 She was the daughter of John Fynes of Claverham in Arlington and Elizabeth Culpeper. 
Marriage*say 1584 She married Thomas Culpeper of Naylands in Balcombe, co. Sussex say 1584. 
Married Namesay 1584  As of say 1584, her married name was Culpeper. 
Marriage*say 1603 She married John Love gent. say 1603. 
Married Namesay 1603  As of say 1603, her married name was Love. 
Death*before 1609 She died before 1609. 
Biography* After Thomas Culpeper's death, Joan, re-married John Love, gent., and on her death Perimans in Ardingly descended to John Culpeper, youngest son of her husband's next younger brother, Richard Culpeper, of Cuckfield.
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Although S.A.C., Vol. VI., p. 140 et seq., gives the respite of the homage of Edward Culpeper for Naylands and Hilland until 24 Jun 1603, and ascribe the reason to the badness of the Sussex roads, there appears to have been another and probably more potent reason, in the fact that Sir Edward Culpeper (who was knighted at Whitehall before the Coronation of King James, 23 Jul 1603), had to bring a lawsuit before he could obtain possession of the premises, of which, as referring to the history of Thomas and Joan Culpeper, a short abstract is given here of the Chancery Proceedings, dated 24 Apr 1604:
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Sir Edward Culpeper, of Wakehurst complains that whereas Thomas Culpeper his father died in your orator's minority and putting great trust in Thomas Culpeper late of Balcombe, Esq., his natural brother entrusted him with the dealing with his goods and profits until your orator should attain his full age. This Thomas Culpeper received great sums during the minority which he ought to account for. It was agreed between your orator and Thomas Culpeper and one Johanna whom he the said Thomas intended to marry that he, your said orator, should release to the said Thomas Culpeper divers great sums of money with which the said Thomas stood charged and also that your orator should by fine and recovery join in the assurance of divers lands so that Thomas Culpeper might sell some to pay his debts and settle something more as jointure for his wife, which by reason of the weakness of his estate the said Thomas could not have assured without your orator joining with him: also that he should enfeoffe John Threele late of Hurstpierpoint and Johanna Fynes of certain lands called Naylands, which Thomas Culpeper purchased out of money he received from your orator to the use of the said Thomas and Johanna for their lives with remainder to their right heirs, with remainder to your orator, whereby Naylands should be in your orator's inheritance at the death of the said Thomas in lieu of money owing to him.
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But so yet is your orator is informed that Thomas Culpeper and Johanna his wife had agreed to execute some former estate of inheritance in Naylands to Johanna Culpeper's use and he did fraudulently make over his estate to her. The said Johanna since the death of the said Thomas Culpeper gives speeches and greatly menaces and threatens your said orator that she has the inheritance of the land called Naylands. She hath the deeds etc.
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Johanna Culpeper in her answer says that the said Thomas Culpeper for divers years together carried a most loving affection for her being a gentlewoman of an honorable descent of the honorable house of the Lord Dacres, and daughter and sole heir of John Fynes of Claverham, Esq., and finding no probable mean of marriage during John Fynes lifetime, and the said Thomas, that notwithstanding, being still desirous to gain her this defendant’s further love, the said Thomas knowing that such a marriage to be a great preferment unto him, the said Thomas himself being a gentleman of a younger house and of small possessions, and the said Thomas having at the same time great occasions of discontentment offered him by his two brethren then living, yea so great that he the said Thomas would disinherit either of them, came and said he would make her his heir and give her his house lately purchase at Naylands. The defendant then said "What will the world say if you should give me your land having two brethren" and the said Thomas said it would far better be bestowed on her than on them. When John Fynes died (? John Fenis, of Arlington. Will proved at Lewes, 8 May 1584, but now undiscoverable. B. 1, 128.), Thomas Culpeper came to Johanna and said if she did not marry him she plight undo him for that he the said Thomas had given her the fee simple of his land which would then descend to the Fynes... without which she would never have married him. After her marriage Thomas Culpeper carried her to see her house at Naylands where the said Thomas said he would dwell. She found no convenient house thereon and absolutely refused to dwell there unless he would build thereon. The said Thomas wanted her to advance the requisite means on the ground that it was her own, whereupon the said Thomas condescended and built a fair house with part of her substance, and by selling part of her substance in amount of five hundred marks, and she advanced five or six hundred pounds (a mark equals 2/3 of a pound), whereas the land only cost four hundred hounds.She the said defendant meanly lied for the accomplishment thereof even until her husband Thomas died, a little before o whoso death it was cruelly spoken about that her house and land called Naylands was mortgaged to the said complainant. She went to her husband to inquire the truth who said he owed not a penny and hoped he was not so dishonest a man as to say that he owed him anything for that the said complainant was rather in his debt and that all the money that the said complainant ever could demand of him he paid the said complainant in Ardingly church porch in good gold (as this defendant now remembers). He said further that the said complainant had been a costly nephew and unkind to him, he wished her therefore to look well to her writings. She further said that she settled the manor of Lewsham (known in 1999 as Leasam) in Susses value, £100 per annum, on her husband. She conveyed the manor to John Threele reserving £66 per annum to herself and her husband, with this the said Thomas was to buy land near Naylands so as to make it equal to Lewsham, but he died before doing so or furnishing the house.
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Thomas Culpeper and Joan, his wife, were defendants in another Chancery suit concerning the estate of her father, John Fynes. The proceedings, though undated, must leave been after 1587, as mention is made of Elizabeth Fynes having enjoyed the Manor of Claverham four years after her husband's death (1583).
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The complainant was John Fynes of Claverham. He says his uncle John Fynes of Claverham was seized of the Manor of Claverham in the parishes of Arlington, Selmeston, Chiddingly, Hellingly. and Chalvington, being the ancient inheritance of John Fynes and his ancestors. This John Fynes, having no sons and only one daughter named Joanne Fynes, intended to prefer your said orator with the inheritance of the said manor and to leave the residue of his said lands unto his daughter. By Indenture 1 Jan 1580 (22 Elizabeth), between John Fynes and Elizabeth his wife of the one part, John Lufford of Hoathly and John Threele of Hurstpierpoint, Executor of the last will of Edward Fynes, father guardian and keeper of your said orator of the 2nd part, James Thatcher of Preysthawes, Herbert Pelham of Hellingly, and Thomas Culpeper of Balcombe, Esq., the said John Fynes made a settlement of his manor of Claverham. He then says that the parties came to Lewes at the Assizes which were held about six miles distant from the dwelling house of the said John Fynes, and then and there the said Indenture was sealed and delivered, and John Fynes and Elizabeth his wife did acknowledge a fine of the manor unto the said James Thatcher, Herbert Pelham and Thomas Culpeper since which time John Fynes the uncle died and his wife Elizabeth enjoyed the manor for fewer years. And so it is that Joanne Fynes, having now married Thomas Culpeper, they perceiving that the said fine was acknowledged after the day limited in the said Indenture have given forth in speech that the said fine and Recovery were to the use of the said John Fynes the uncle, and his heirs and not to such uses as in the said Indentures were expressed. Whereas, in truth the said Thomas Culpeper and Joanne do well know that the said Fynes the uncle agreed that the said fine and Recovery should be to the uses in the said Indentures expressed. He asks for a writ of subpoena to be directed unto Thomas Culpeper and Joanne to appear and make answer.o.  

Family 1

Thomas Culpeper of Naylands in Balcombe, co. Sussex (say 1531 - before 7 Apr 1602)

Family 2

John Love gent. (say 1532 - )

Charts The Culpepers of Wakehurst, from 1437: Extinct after 8 generations
Last Edited 31 Dec 1999

Citations

  1. Col. F.W.T. Attree R.E./F.S.A. & Rev. J.H.L. Booker M.A., "The Sussex Colepepers, Part II", Sussex Archaeological Collections, XLVIII, 65-98, (1905) http://gen.culpepper.com/historical/sussex/default.htm.